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Though the terms "unlimited" and "infinite" mean relatively the same thing I do believe there is a slight difference.
Though the terms "unlimited" and "infinite" mean relatively the same thing I do believe there is a slight difference.


Let us look at the definition of the word "Infinite":
Let us look at the definition of the word "Infinite": Immeasurable; indefinitely; exceedingly great unbound; endless; or innumerable inexhaustible.
 
    Immeasurable; indefinitely; exceedingly great
    unbound; endless; or innumerable
    inexhaustible.


Notice my highlights in the definition. Being immeasurable, there is no way to measure the amount of charges so you would never know how many to destroy. But it seems the creators of the infinite codex were able to count/measure the number of charges on an infinite codex.  That is where the other two highlights come into play. "Unbound and inexhaustible"  Yes, the codex is numbered; but it is not bound to that number and the charges on it are inexhaustible, unable to be used up. In turn, never-ending. It would seem to me that the codex is recreating the charges as you use them up. When you use one charge, another is created to take its place. So if you destroyed 20 charges, 20 more would be created to take their place, thus making the codex indestructible.
Notice my highlights in the definition. Being immeasurable, there is no way to measure the amount of charges so you would never know how many to destroy. But it seems the creators of the infinite codex were able to count/measure the number of charges on an infinite codex.  That is where the other two highlights come into play. "Unbound and inexhaustible"  Yes, the codex is numbered; but it is not bound to that number and the charges on it are inexhaustible, unable to be used up. In turn, never-ending. It would seem to me that the codex is recreating the charges as you use them up. When you use one charge, another is created to take its place. So if you destroyed 20 charges, 20 more would be created to take their place, thus making the codex indestructible.

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Art Statistics

Focus: Dreamsoul
Cost: 5
Orbit Required: 35
Affected: Item

Duration

Instant

Description

Destroys target item in the user's inventory.

Plateau Effect

Decreased evoke time.

Art Research

Now with this history in mind, if one was to only take the history as it is worded, One would not get an idea as to why one cannot destroy and unlimited charged codex. Unless, one looks a bit deeper.

The history states that they were able to misshape the talisman which then creates the codex shape. Also by using the art of Reweave and its counterpart (counterpart I take as to be Recharge). The reweaving, shaping, and recharging allow the charges into the codex itself. Now, they continue to use it to greater degrees, being able to make the (talisman) codex so strong that it was unable to be destroyed. Hence the art, Destroy Talisman became so strong that even using it on the City walls was drastic. Now, to answer the question set forth.. Why cant an unlimited charged codex be destroyed? I looked out into the dream seeking many answers. I truly feel with the research I have done that there were many reasons and purposes for an unlimited charged codex. This still does not answer the question though.

When the Entropy Coalition created this art, I feel at the time because of the many dreamer wars and with the threat of the nightmares they needed to make sure that they also had a way of collection information and store it without worry of it being able to be destroyed. Thus upon creating the art of destroy talisman along with codex talisman the unlimited charged codex and it being destroyed as a part of research and the greater steps they took to produce this ability.

My further research and theory is as follows:

I went out into the City seeking the ideas and thoughts of many dreamers. Many had no idea as to why, others because it is meant to be that way for the purpose of holding and storing info, that one would not want to lose. Then there was a rather large group that hit upon the same general idea as myself. This is listed as my theory below.

My theory on Destroy Talisman is as such...An item with limited number of charges on it had a predetermined end. If it is used a certain number of times it will evaporate. An item of an unlimited number of charges is infinite, meaning without end. My thoughts are that you can DT something with a set number of charges because the item has an ending and you will find that with Destroy Talisman and terminate the item. AN item with unlimited charges has no end there fore the art cannot find a set end time for the item and therefore it cannot be destroyed.

Researched by Elektra

When you read an unlimited codex, you read that "it can be read any number of times, and has infinite charges" Though when you identify a codex it you will see that there is a set number (254 to be precise) to the identification. I believe what we really need to look at is the word "Infinite" instead of the term unlimited as we all like to term such a codex as.

Though the terms "unlimited" and "infinite" mean relatively the same thing I do believe there is a slight difference.

Let us look at the definition of the word "Infinite": Immeasurable; indefinitely; exceedingly great unbound; endless; or innumerable inexhaustible.

Notice my highlights in the definition. Being immeasurable, there is no way to measure the amount of charges so you would never know how many to destroy. But it seems the creators of the infinite codex were able to count/measure the number of charges on an infinite codex. That is where the other two highlights come into play. "Unbound and inexhaustible" Yes, the codex is numbered; but it is not bound to that number and the charges on it are inexhaustible, unable to be used up. In turn, never-ending. It would seem to me that the codex is recreating the charges as you use them up. When you use one charge, another is created to take its place. So if you destroyed 20 charges, 20 more would be created to take their place, thus making the codex indestructible.

Researched by LovesLight

Art History

The Art of Destroy Talisman was created through a collective effort by the Entropy Coalition. It was one of their first experiments into using Chaos in the Dream. As is known, their last experiment brought the nightmares. They found an interesting way to meddle with talismans, and through the careful use of reweave and it's counterpart, could misshape a talisman. At the time, they also had a mad Elder DreamSmith with them. It was she who first thought of the idea. Using this Art, which they guarded jealously, they continued their experiments and used it to ever greater degrees. Eventually, they began to test it on the City Walls, with drastic results. The Art was thought lost after that, however it seems that at least one Lyran was a former member of the Entropy Coalition. It presumably then spread from there.

Notes

Cannot destroy an item with infinite charges.


Reference: http://www.angelfire.com/ab7/dranak/Arts/arts-dreamsoul.htm#dt